Replacing the clutch
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i got the mbk-7223HD for less than 630 push a bit more and you should be able to get it for less.
anyone know of any good brake and clutch specialist in se melb. been looking at braketech in oakleigh but labour seems pricey.
anyone know of any good brake and clutch specialist in se melb. been looking at braketech in oakleigh but labour seems pricey.
Ok , I had the new clutch installed and picked it up Tues.
Holy f#%*ing white man - does this biatch clamp. I haven't bunny hopped a car for years, but as soon as I drove outa the workshop, I had it bouncing back and forth like a cheap hooker. took me about 30 km to get comfortable with the take up point and slip, but I now find it to be extremely user friendly after the get to know you period. No noticable extra pedal effort required either. I haven't given it any real good dumps yet, but a few revs and easing it out sharply the other night got all 4 breaking traction, and I was facing downhill.
The whole job did take longer than expected - day and a half. I told my bro that it is an 8-10hr job, but when they were having trouble, he called up an Evo specialist to enquire. They said, and I quote, "8-10 hrs, PIG"S ARSE!!!! More like 14 - 16hrs!!!!" which turned out closer to the mark. Still, it only cost me $400 + a case of Crownies. not too bad i thought.
Overall, I'm very happy with this clutch, just hope I don't start breaking other things!?!?!?
Damo
Holy f#%*ing white man - does this biatch clamp. I haven't bunny hopped a car for years, but as soon as I drove outa the workshop, I had it bouncing back and forth like a cheap hooker. took me about 30 km to get comfortable with the take up point and slip, but I now find it to be extremely user friendly after the get to know you period. No noticable extra pedal effort required either. I haven't given it any real good dumps yet, but a few revs and easing it out sharply the other night got all 4 breaking traction, and I was facing downhill.
The whole job did take longer than expected - day and a half. I told my bro that it is an 8-10hr job, but when they were having trouble, he called up an Evo specialist to enquire. They said, and I quote, "8-10 hrs, PIG"S ARSE!!!! More like 14 - 16hrs!!!!" which turned out closer to the mark. Still, it only cost me $400 + a case of Crownies. not too bad i thought.
Overall, I'm very happy with this clutch, just hope I don't start breaking other things!?!?!?
Damo
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$400 labour is very good, you got a good deal there on an absolute cow of a job 
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spoke to techsport today when i was down there got a good price on labour so that is sorted
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Sounds great!!! You will have to update us when you try doing a proper luanch.
Is there much slip in between letting it off liike a normal clutch? (Plus way more clamping force)
So you recomend this over a normal heavy duty one?
Sounds great!!! You will have to update us when you try doing a proper luanch.
Is there much slip in between letting it off liike a normal clutch? (Plus way more clamping force)
So you recomend this over a normal heavy duty one?
Prob a little less room between full on and full off (compared to standard), but not much. It only slips when you want it too, when you let it out, it's locked in Eddy.
Having never tried a HD unit, I am unable to make a real comparison, so can't help you there. IMHO though, If you are paying for the clutch and install, the upgrade from HD to HDCB is not that much extra $$$$$ relatively speaking for a clutch that you know is as good as can be, and I know it will handle whatever I throw at it if I decide to tweak the engine in the future. That's how I rationalised it to myself anyway.
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Simon, I've hit him up to see whether he would be interested in becoming our specialist clutch refresher. Basically, he said he'd think about it, but also said that it would have to be more than I paid simply cos of the time involved. I also found out that it was APC at Underwood that he called to ask about the clutch in these, and they told him the 15-16hr job bit. He reckons he could get that down by a margin, but my clutch would have cost around $1500 If it went thru the books. When I pestered him for a figure, he said about half that. YOu would have to compare that to what places like APC are charging I guess to see if its worthwhile.
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wow does that include 7-8 hours of arse scratching??!
me and mike (mpau009) got mine out in 4 hours,
me mike and kenneth got it back in under 4 hours,
thats on a garage floor (axel stands), with basic tools,
and one person just handing tools around on both sessions,
i cant see it being more than a 10hour job for one man with a car lift/hole,
and all the tools!
anyone garage thats done an evo shouldnt find the vr any different.
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The galants aren't that bad to do a clutch on. Have done a couple now and other than one of the shafts which can be sticky and seize occasionally, its not too bad a job. On average its around a 6 - 8 job on a hoist from start to finish.
So saying that, we have sold quite a few clutches lateley for them, the same type of semi ceramic 10 paddle clutch as we use on my Magna and have had great results with it. Good enough for 600hp in a FWD car so more than strong enough for the AWD drive train, but perfect driveability just like a normal clutch.
Had several people comment on how driveable the car is with it.
So saying that, we have sold quite a few clutches lateley for them, the same type of semi ceramic 10 paddle clutch as we use on my Magna and have had great results with it. Good enough for 600hp in a FWD car so more than strong enough for the AWD drive train, but perfect driveability just like a normal clutch.
Had several people comment on how driveable the car is with it.
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Is everyone reducing the flywheel weight while the clutch is out?
Anybody??
Anybody??
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Well my suspicions are correct, and I now need a new clutch. The other day I launched much higher than usual and the clutch didn’t like it. I have been giving it a good work out and so I knew the factory item would see it’s day eventually.. just didn’t think so soon.
In these frugal times, I have other things to spend a grand or more on.
So I’m actually thinking about fitting it myself. I’ve never attempted something this involved, but I guess I could get the tools and follow a service manual and I also found this step by step guide on replacing an Evo clutch which is meant to be similar;
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=91901
For the guys that have done this, is the Evo link above slightly related at all.. am I getting in over my head. I can follow instruction and I could have the car off the road for a good few days if needed.
Perhaps if I got some help from you guys I could document it and make a guide.
Awesome Trav regarding the Exedy clutch, nice find.
And Bradc when you say ‘pig of a job’ does that mean tedious but with enough time she’s sweet or don’t bother if you want knuckles left and you’ve never done it?
In these frugal times, I have other things to spend a grand or more on.
So I’m actually thinking about fitting it myself. I’ve never attempted something this involved, but I guess I could get the tools and follow a service manual and I also found this step by step guide on replacing an Evo clutch which is meant to be similar;
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=91901
For the guys that have done this, is the Evo link above slightly related at all.. am I getting in over my head. I can follow instruction and I could have the car off the road for a good few days if needed.
Perhaps if I got some help from you guys I could document it and make a guide.
Awesome Trav regarding the Exedy clutch, nice find.
And Bradc when you say ‘pig of a job’ does that mean tedious but with enough time she’s sweet or don’t bother if you want knuckles left and you’ve never done it?
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having gone through removing my auto tranny twice.. that guide is similar, however not identical.
there is a guide on clubvr4, for removing the auto trans, which i'd be sure would be 99% the same as removing a manual
there is a guide on clubvr4, for removing the auto trans, which i'd be sure would be 99% the same as removing a manual
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I had a look on Club VR4 Mitch and couln't find that article in the guide section and did a search on the Forum itself with nada. Should I search for something in particular?
Ok so it's 600 odd for the Heavy Duty and 900 odd for a Heavy Duty Cushioned Button - right?
I think the HD will be fine as it is much stronger than standard and I don't think I'll modify my wagon too ridiculously.
Just phoned a clutch shop and they quoted $715 for just labour and fly wheel machining, and $1000 for the HD clutch which they would apparently make themselves with a stronger friction material. So I'm not keen on that when I could get the flywheel done for $40-$50 bucks and just pick up that HD through Trav for 600 odd.
What tools are needed do go for it, can I get away with just axel stands and socket wrenches?
Ok so it's 600 odd for the Heavy Duty and 900 odd for a Heavy Duty Cushioned Button - right?
I think the HD will be fine as it is much stronger than standard and I don't think I'll modify my wagon too ridiculously.
Just phoned a clutch shop and they quoted $715 for just labour and fly wheel machining, and $1000 for the HD clutch which they would apparently make themselves with a stronger friction material. So I'm not keen on that when I could get the flywheel done for $40-$50 bucks and just pick up that HD through Trav for 600 odd.
What tools are needed do go for it, can I get away with just axel stands and socket wrenches?
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having done this, with the help of other club vr4 members,
you need at least 1 other person when lifting/droping the box out,
its ****en heavy.
pretty much the same as the evo guide.
sockets, spanners, hammer/mallet, pry bars, screw drivers (long)
good axel stands, and jack.
you need at least 1 other person when lifting/droping the box out,
its ****en heavy.
pretty much the same as the evo guide.
sockets, spanners, hammer/mallet, pry bars, screw drivers (long)
good axel stands, and jack.
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Having done this by myself on the floor, but with an engine crane, i can say 100% that it is 1000% easier with someone else
And yeah, for the cost of the labour its worth putting in the effort yourself, plus 1/2 the guys out there dont know much more than you.. The only tools i didnt have were a torque wrench (bought a supercheap one, doubled as a power bar), and a 32mm socket to undo the hub ends of the 1/2 shafts.
And yeah, the clubvr4 guide is worth its membership weight in gold, its pretty straight forward, but there are a few tricks that make seperating the release bearing etc a whole lot easier.
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Ive been considering doing this myself as well. I don't see the point in paying someone when im sure i could do it.
What bolts do you need the torque wrench for? and is there anywhere that has the torque specs for the specific bolts?
What bolts do you need the torque wrench for? and is there anywhere that has the torque specs for the specific bolts?
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