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A question was asked in the "too lazy" thread about how the Galant / Legnum would fare against a Skyline GTS-T / GT-T in the 0-100 and quarter mile, assuming stock for stock.
Tim made an interesting point about disregarding magazine figures and focusing on what people were likely to get in the real world.
Rather than clog up the "too lazy" thread, I'd thought I'd continue the discussion in this new thread.
I agree that "on paper" comparisons are not perfect translations to real world conditions. For example, the on paper 0-100 and quarter mile figures recorded by magazines are often done in perfect conditions, with professional drivers, in a brand new car etc.
However, I think you're forgetting that in general, an AWD will be easier to launch and get consistently fast 0-100 and quarter mile times, compared to a powerful RWD. That is, in the real world, the average Joe will be consistently faster in an AWD compared to a powerful RWD. Further, the average Joe also has a better chance of getting closer to the on paper figures in an AWD rather than a powerful RWD.
Nevertheless, let's ignore the on paper figures for a moment and see what normal drivers get in the real world:
1) From the Skylines Owners Club and Skylines Australia
a) "stock manual R33 [GTS-T] does this [0-100] in about 7.0 seconds"
b) "the 0-100km/h times a stock r33 with an rb25det under the bonnet? i'd say most people will be getting about 7sec for 0-100 times"
c) "I'd like to think the R33 GTST does it in 6 secs though I think 7 is more like it (based on experience in other cars where reliable times are available). I know import magazine did it in 6.2 or 6.3 though I don't know how reliable their figures are."
d) "in my s2 r33 gts-t stock ran 6.9 and with a pod, cat back, hi flo cat , fmic, no tuning nothing, i ran a 6.5..."
e) And for the GT-T: "Post-release road tests recorded 7.2 seconds for 0-100km/h and seat-of-the-pants estimation says that our nicely-loosened example might be a tad quicker. 0-400 metres in 14.9 seconds"
f) "My old GTS-T was making about 370ish bhp and I only managed a 109.7 mph trap speed. And a time of 14.4 !! haha."
g) "i did a 14.5 with exhaust and filter".
h) "I am runing 14.7 to 14.8 on stock boost".
i) "I did a 14.46 @ 107 mph on saturday, which tbh is poor for 400 bhp but i ran with road tyres".
j) "Best I could do with Air filter, decat, FMIC, boost controller and 4 inch straight through pipe was 15 seconds".
So what we can deduce from real owners of both the GTST and GT-T is that in the real world, a stock Skyline with a normal driver is likely to do:
a) 0-100 in the high 6's or flat 7's; and
b) the quarter in the high 14's - in fact, some guys that were running mid 14's were packing 370-400BHP!
2) From OZVR4
Now if only we had data on what Galant and Legnum owners were doing with their cars in the real world ... in fact, we do!!! See here:
http://www.ozvr4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1806
Just a quick browse through that thread shows a 191kW, auto Series 1, Legnum doing the quarter in 14.469. Remember, this is a worst case scenario - it's an auto, only makes 191kW (instead of 206kW) and is the heavier Legnum shape. I think you will agree that a manual, 206kW, lighter Galant is likely to go even faster.
We also know that standard manual Galants are good for flat 6's to the 100. In fact, in that real world comparison between a Legnum, Caldina and Stagea, they got the Legnum going from 0-100 in 6.1 seconds. Again, the lighter Galant would be quicker.
What about modded Galants/Legnums though? If 370-400BHP Skylines in the hands of normal drivers are getting 14.5 seconds down the quarter, what will it take to get the Mitsubishi under 14.5? Not much - people here are running mid 13's with less power than that:
http://ozvr4.com/forums/showthread.php?p=29376
Based on the above real world figures, I stand by my original statement that stock for stock, a Galant / Legnum should be quite a bit faster than a GTS-T and slightly faster than a GT-T. In auto form, the gap will be even bigger. This is whether on paper or in the real world. In fact, with the less than perfect street surfaces, wet or greasy conditions, average Joe drivers etc, in the real world, I'd wager that a stock Galant would be quite a bit faster than a stock Skyline. It would be a safe wager too because I've already conducted real world testing in my stock, manual Galant against my friend's 1999 stock Skyline GT-T. We even swapped cars to confirm the result - he wasn't happy
Tim, just like I previously asked you whether you had actually driven an Evo X before holding an opinion that appears gospel, have you actually compared a stock Galant against a stock GT-T from behind the wheel of both cars and if so, what did you find?
Tim made an interesting point about disregarding magazine figures and focusing on what people were likely to get in the real world.
Rather than clog up the "too lazy" thread, I'd thought I'd continue the discussion in this new thread.
I agree that "on paper" comparisons are not perfect translations to real world conditions. For example, the on paper 0-100 and quarter mile figures recorded by magazines are often done in perfect conditions, with professional drivers, in a brand new car etc.
However, I think you're forgetting that in general, an AWD will be easier to launch and get consistently fast 0-100 and quarter mile times, compared to a powerful RWD. That is, in the real world, the average Joe will be consistently faster in an AWD compared to a powerful RWD. Further, the average Joe also has a better chance of getting closer to the on paper figures in an AWD rather than a powerful RWD.
Nevertheless, let's ignore the on paper figures for a moment and see what normal drivers get in the real world:
1) From the Skylines Owners Club and Skylines Australia
a) "stock manual R33 [GTS-T] does this [0-100] in about 7.0 seconds"
b) "the 0-100km/h times a stock r33 with an rb25det under the bonnet? i'd say most people will be getting about 7sec for 0-100 times"
c) "I'd like to think the R33 GTST does it in 6 secs though I think 7 is more like it (based on experience in other cars where reliable times are available). I know import magazine did it in 6.2 or 6.3 though I don't know how reliable their figures are."
d) "in my s2 r33 gts-t stock ran 6.9 and with a pod, cat back, hi flo cat , fmic, no tuning nothing, i ran a 6.5..."
e) And for the GT-T: "Post-release road tests recorded 7.2 seconds for 0-100km/h and seat-of-the-pants estimation says that our nicely-loosened example might be a tad quicker. 0-400 metres in 14.9 seconds"
f) "My old GTS-T was making about 370ish bhp and I only managed a 109.7 mph trap speed. And a time of 14.4 !! haha."
g) "i did a 14.5 with exhaust and filter".
h) "I am runing 14.7 to 14.8 on stock boost".
i) "I did a 14.46 @ 107 mph on saturday, which tbh is poor for 400 bhp but i ran with road tyres".
j) "Best I could do with Air filter, decat, FMIC, boost controller and 4 inch straight through pipe was 15 seconds".
So what we can deduce from real owners of both the GTST and GT-T is that in the real world, a stock Skyline with a normal driver is likely to do:
a) 0-100 in the high 6's or flat 7's; and
b) the quarter in the high 14's - in fact, some guys that were running mid 14's were packing 370-400BHP!
2) From OZVR4
Now if only we had data on what Galant and Legnum owners were doing with their cars in the real world ... in fact, we do!!! See here:
http://www.ozvr4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1806
Just a quick browse through that thread shows a 191kW, auto Series 1, Legnum doing the quarter in 14.469. Remember, this is a worst case scenario - it's an auto, only makes 191kW (instead of 206kW) and is the heavier Legnum shape. I think you will agree that a manual, 206kW, lighter Galant is likely to go even faster.
We also know that standard manual Galants are good for flat 6's to the 100. In fact, in that real world comparison between a Legnum, Caldina and Stagea, they got the Legnum going from 0-100 in 6.1 seconds. Again, the lighter Galant would be quicker.
What about modded Galants/Legnums though? If 370-400BHP Skylines in the hands of normal drivers are getting 14.5 seconds down the quarter, what will it take to get the Mitsubishi under 14.5? Not much - people here are running mid 13's with less power than that:
http://ozvr4.com/forums/showthread.php?p=29376
Based on the above real world figures, I stand by my original statement that stock for stock, a Galant / Legnum should be quite a bit faster than a GTS-T and slightly faster than a GT-T. In auto form, the gap will be even bigger. This is whether on paper or in the real world. In fact, with the less than perfect street surfaces, wet or greasy conditions, average Joe drivers etc, in the real world, I'd wager that a stock Galant would be quite a bit faster than a stock Skyline. It would be a safe wager too because I've already conducted real world testing in my stock, manual Galant against my friend's 1999 stock Skyline GT-T. We even swapped cars to confirm the result - he wasn't happy
Tim, just like I previously asked you whether you had actually driven an Evo X before holding an opinion that appears gospel, have you actually compared a stock Galant against a stock GT-T from behind the wheel of both cars and if so, what did you find?
